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Correct 'to hit chart'


I read on the net that the 'to hit charts' printed in the adventure book and rule book are actually incorrect!

Does anyone have an image of the correct chart?
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Re: Correct 'to hit chart'


I too have read somewhere that one of them was incorrect. I heard that one was correct and one was incorrect. So, I compared them to each other and found no difference. Therefore, I ask the same question: Where can we find the correct to hit chart? If they are incorrect, I have been using incorrect to hit charts for many years. lol

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Re: Correct 'to hit chart'


The incorrect charts are the ones on the advanced profile cads for some warriors. The correct chart is the one at the back of the adventure book.
To check simply crosscheck it with the bestiary to hit charts and it should match.

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Re: Correct 'to hit chart'


There is some difference between the chart at the back of the Adventure Book and the bestiary.

What I am using to check -- without thoroughly going through them all yet, because I would like to know what is correct first -- is that an Attacker's Weaponskill of 5 versus the Defender's WS of 2 requires a 2 to hit on some charts and a 3 to hit on others.

So, again, I ask, which chart(s) is(are) correct?

Sorry to be so nit-picky, but I would really like to know. emoticon

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Re: Correct 'to hit chart'


Here is a partial quote from Bassjam from a similar topic. It is about the logic behind the charts:

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BassJam wrote:

You don't need the charts if you know the reasoning behind them... If you're attacking someone with equal WS or better, you need to roll a 4 or better. If you're attacking someone with less WS than you, you need a 3 or better. If your WS is twice as good as the defender, you need a 2 or better. A 1 is a 1 is a 1. If you're attacking someone that is more than twice as skilled as you, you need a 5 or better. If you're attacking someone that's more than three times your WS, you need a 6. A 6 is a 6 is a 6.



If this is correct, then it would certainly simplify things.

So far, it seems to me that Bassjam's statement that "If your WS is twice as good as the defender, you need a 2 or better." is slightly off. I am not sure what it should say though. The reason I say this is that none of the charts I see let you hit a defender of WS 2 on a 2+ if your WS is a 4. They all require a 3+ to hit.

The reason I am revisiting this topic (and another one like it) is that someone has recently posted a pdf Adventure Sheet with a modified To Hit Chart which is now supposed to be "correct". It seems incorrect to me, but I have no certainty in my mind...

You can find this pdf at the following BoardGameGeek topic: Character Sheet w/ corrected Combat Chart (EDIT 3 {Feb. 15, 2012}: That file was removed from BoardGameGeek.com for some Intellectual Property issue{s}. Hence, I removed the url tag.)

EDIT: I am sorry also for sort of "double-posting" on this issue (Thecustodian might mind emoticon), but I was researching all I could find. Maybe more people can help "unconfuse" me too. lol

EDIT 2: Bassjam has corrected his statement essentially making the formerly incorrect portion to read: "If your WS is BETTER than twice as good as the defender, you need a 2 or better."


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Re: Correct 'to hit chart'


Well, here is the Q & A as found in the Museum regarding this matter:

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Q: The to hit numbers on the Advanced Profile card for my Warrior card are different from the table in the rule book. Which is correct?
A: There are three 'to hit' charts, one in the back of the Rule Book, and two in the back of Adventure Book (one on the last page and one on the inside back cover). Of all three tables, the one on the inside back cover of the AB matches the 'to hit' profiles given in the Monster descriptions in the RPB and on the Advanced Profile cards. It would seem reasonable to assume that the table on the inside back cover of the AB is correct.



The only trouble is that I do not currently have a copy of the inside cover of the Adventure Book. I await verification from someone that the following chart provided in a corrected Adventure Record Sheet (pdf) is indeed the same To Hit Chart as the correct one.

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(EDIT: My image host is sometimes down, but I usually have about 99% or better up time. emoticon)

Again, sorry for the double-post, but I thought it good to provide this info under both related topics.

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Crap, you're right! If you're fighting a Goblin with WS 2, and your WS is 4 you need a 3 to hit. If your WS is 5, you need a 2. Therefore I should've said if you WS is MORE than double that of the target, you need to roll a 2 to hit.

Please notice that this holds true on the chart - I probably was doing a terrible job of proofreadint myself that day emoticon

I was right about the attacker that is more than twice as skilled, so the equation should be similar in both directions.


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I sometimes hate to be right. emoticon

Thanks Bassjam for your modification. emoticon

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I SWEAR I've always played it right, so that was def a typo. My players would've lynched me otherwise! My brother is good at math and always deduces the stats of Monsters no matter how hard I try to keep them secret, so I don't get away with any hanky-panky.
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"Of all three tables, the one on the inside back cover of the AB matches the 'to hit' profiles given in the Monster descriptions in the RPB"

Be careful, as some charts in these monster descriptions even don't seem to be right. Check the "Liches" entry on page 114 for example.
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