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Trollslayer Conundrum


I had a session yesterday where someone played a Trollslayer. The special rules of the Objective Room indicated that 4 Monsters should be spawned every Monster Phase. The Warriors needed to gather as much information from the room as they could while holding off the Monsters. The Warriors had to decide when to cut and run, so there was a tense balance between fear and greed, because the more information they collected from the room the more Gold they would earn. Now, this was a special Quest of my own devising, but I played at least 1 Quest from the Adventure Book where a new Event Card is drawn each turn in the Objective Room.

The conundrum was with the Trollslayer's rule of always having to fight the biggest Monster and never retreat. In this scenario, the Trollslayer was surely doomed, just stepping foot into the Objective Room, since the flow of Monsters was nonstop! It seems not fair at least giving him some chance of survival. How would you handle this situation?
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Re: Trollslayer Conundrum


Rules in games are almost never without exceptions -- or at least the possibility of exceptions. emoticon

I would just say to make an exception in such a situation, and/or take into consideration that the Trollslayer will be willing to leave -- NEVER call it 'retreat' NOR 'run' emoticon -- IF the purpose of the quest is reasonably accomplished.

His rule about not leaving states or at least implies that he will stay for the purpose of completing the objective whether the others do so or not.

EDIT (added to above paragraph also): BUT, I would still maintain that he will NOT use the Escape Table. So, if he has trouble being pinned with no break from adjacent monsters, then he would still be more likely to perish in a game of this sort with me as the GM.

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Re: Trollslayer Conundrum


I had a similar feeling and that's what I actually did at the table. But I'm still somewhat bothered by the outcome as it's hard to rationalize a Trollslayer, who's seeking a glorious death in battle, leaving a room with monsters!

Maybe I can create a house rule that gives him a chance to rationalize leaving in such a situation, perhaps knowing that doing so will give him a better chance to have a MORE glorious death fighting BIGGER monsters later. Perhaps something like a Willpower test somehow modified by the size of the largest monster in the room. That would make it harder for the Trollslayer to leave when a big juicy Minotaur, for example, is still in the room.

Hmm, perhaps something like this ...

When the Trollslayer is faced with the choice of either making a tactical retreat or fighting monsters (for example if the quest objective is completed and there are still monsters on the board), he must make a special Willpower Test. Roll a number of dice equal to the Trollslayer's Willpower. Compare this to the highest Starting Wounds value of all of the monsters on the board. If he rolls higher, the Trollslayer may make the tactical retreat. Otherwise, he grimly wades into the monsters, despite all odds.
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Re: Trollslayer Conundrum


Sounds good to me. It is the sort of thing my mind comes up with for all sorts of custom things in the game. emoticon

In roleplaying a Trollslayer, I have often conversed with the other Warriors that the current situation would NOT provide a death glorious enough for me! I often use this sort of logic to justify thanking a healer for putting off my Trollslayer's inevitable death.

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Re: Trollslayer Conundrum


If this was a Roleplaying Adventure, the other Warriors should have dragged the Trollslayer away (albeit kicking and screaming because he wanted to stay). So the other players should be contributing to the creativity of how they're ALL going to stay alive.

It would have presented a nice opportunity for the Trollslayer to hold a grudge: the Warriors keeping him from a glorious death. They most likely must do something extraordinary to make it up to him...

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Another scenario could have presented itself. With the Trollslayer in a vicious tirade, the Monsters could have all been give the "Break" ability each turn to see if the Trollslayer and his deathwish drive them off.

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If this was NOT a Roleplaying game with a Gamemaster, then perhaps agreeing at the start of the Adventure that you use a Slayer Table with the aforementioned scenario:

1-3 The Warriors are unable to snatch the Trollslayer away from battle. He will stay to fight another round!

4-5 The Trollslayer thrashes furiously while his compatriots pull him from battle. Each Warrior takes 2D6 Wounds although they succeed in removing the Trollslayer from combat.

6 In The Warriors clutch the Trollslayer by all four limbs and, as he bellows loudly, they hoist him in the air and depart.

If the Warriors rolled a 4, 5 or 6, they succeed in whisking him away from combat, although the angry Dwarf surely now holds a grudge against them!



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Re: Trollslayer Conundrum


This is a good example of why I like to see how different people answer the same question/problem. Littlemonk gives an excellent answer!

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Re: Trollslayer Conundrum


At times like this, I think 'what would Gotrek do?'
The answer would be something like 'solve the situation so that the Trollslayer cannot die in glorious battle'. Collapsing the roof of the chamber, for example, or arguing that the Trollslayer's other obligations or oaths require him to go the other way...
Then, the Slayer gets to look really moody and complain a lot about being cheated of their doom (while making plans to go and find a greater doom tomorrow).

I actually think that in a situation where there are unlimited hordes of Monsters, the Trollslayer would stay behind and fight while the other Warriors left.

If you are fond of the character you can always mount a rescue mission to free him after the Monsters keep him caged and tormented.
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