Imperial Noble & his Dagger https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/t90598 Runboard| Imperial Noble & his Dagger en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 08:31:32 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 08:31:32 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562990,from=rss#post562990https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562990,from=rss#post562990quote:Warrior Monk wrote: quote:OldWarrior wrote: By the way, in some of my not-too-distant past, I had been much more serious about my gaming than many people might realize. I have had to use much more restraint in various circles. If people only knew me like I have known me! lol Do you really think you have hidden it? Sorry sirrah, anyone actually reading what you write knows you are a serious player and person. In addition though, you are also a very kind and considerate one too. Well, thanks for the compliment! I guess, in regards to the "serious gaming" idea, what I really mean is that I could be very argumentative. I feel like I was once upon a time sort of a "Doctor Jekell and Mr. Hide". Sometimes, I would get way too worked up (emotionally) over disagreements in games. Just a little illustration: A good friend and I playing WHQ in 1995... He got frustrated with trying to keep track of the Dwarf's use of his 1/Adventure runes on his Great Axe (and/or other axes). Even though I think I was being logical in trying to help him, I also was somewhat short-tempered. While I cannot totally reproduce exactly what I said those many years ago, I know I showed some serious emotion when I said it. It was interesting that he accepted my suggestion without any qualms and got more organized with the runes! lol Anyway, I really did get pretty serious there. Yeah, it was just a game, but I was probably taking it more seriously than I needed to.nondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Thu, 01 Sep 2016 08:04:33 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562988,from=rss#post562988https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562988,from=rss#post562988quote:OldWarrior wrote: I am proud of you, Warrior Monk. Thank you. Thank very much. I will be here all week. Please tip generously on your way out. On a more serious note, thanks OldWarrior. I had my response all written out, essay-length like most of EdQuest's replies and then re-read wreade's stuff and decided this guy does not want to hear it - he has his own little corner and loves it. Then I thought of Littlemonk's unbelievably unhinged happening over at the closed site and just decided it all was just not worth it - what if this new guy is like Littlemonk was that quarter? You know, someone getting worked up over something that really is nothing and me just putting my feet into it no matter what I say or really mean? With that thought, I just dumped almost all of it and put in the EDIT. My point of view was not worth someone self-immolating like he did or what happened with Vince from Florida, both over at the closed site. quote:OldWarrior wrote: By the way, in some of my not-too-distant past, I had been much more serious about my gaming than many people might realize. I have had to use much more restraint in various circles. If people only knew me like I have known me! lol Do you really think you have hidden it? Sorry sirrah, anyone actually reading what you write knows you are a serious player and person. In addition though, you are also a very kind and considerate one too.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Thu, 01 Sep 2016 07:41:39 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562987,from=rss#post562987https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562987,from=rss#post562987quote:Warrior Monk wrote: quote:wreade1872 wrote: ... .I probably should have mentioned that i was playing devils advocate above. ... . Then it was a very good thing that I edited out the response I had. I took you seriously and replied seriously. That was partly due to my real life training in classical weaponry. Fortunately (I guess), I decided the response was more serious than the board needed. OldWarrior and Littlemonk should be pleased that I edited it out. I am proud of you, Warrior Monk. By the way, in some of my not-too-distant past, I had been much more serious about my gaming than many people might realize. I have had to use much more restraint in various circles. If people only knew me like I have known me! lolnondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Thu, 01 Sep 2016 06:56:28 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562986,from=rss#post562986https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562986,from=rss#post562986quote:wreade1872 wrote: No prob .I probably should have mentioned that i was playing devils advocate above. People might realize that I am a rather strange peron, if they pay much attention to the things I have written about WHQ in the past! In both real life and in gaming I have a great tendency to try to be exhaustive in reasoning everything out. Sometimes I end up contradicting a position I had traditionally taken in the game, because my mind so often argues for opposing views. I guess I am trying to say that I might also sometimes come across as "devil's advocate", though I usually try to be clear when some comment(s) I make is(are) not necessarily my current opinion(s). I hope this makes some sense. By the way, the Imperial Noble is one of my favorite official Warrior Packs. I really like that he can gets Sword skills as well as having a normal skill table. Potentially, if he learns all six of the skills from the Sword Skills table, he could have a total of 12 skills at Battle-Level 10!nondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Thu, 01 Sep 2016 06:50:05 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562978,from=rss#post562978https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562978,from=rss#post562978quote:wreade1872 wrote: ... .I probably should have mentioned that i was playing devils advocate above. ... . Then it was a very good thing that I edited out the response I had. I took you seriously and replied seriously. That was partly due to my real life training in classical weaponry. Fortunately (I guess), I decided the response was more serious than the board needed. OldWarrior and Littlemonk should be pleased that I edited it out. RedDogMT would be especially pleased. wreade1872, we here and back in the day, in Maryland, are odd gaming groups. We look at WhQ and other tabletops more as recreational tactical exercises than as just "games" so we approach them different than the overwhelming majority of gamers. That makes some our situations I bring up here ones that no one else thinks of or even imagines - ever. Makes us labelled as "disruptive" by some here and/or they say we need to "lighten up" about our gaming. The fact of the matter was/is that most in both groups were/are veterans or active duty personnel in either the military or other government service. Gives us a different perspective than most folks. Oh well, life and gaming goes on.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Mon, 29 Aug 2016 07:17:18 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562977,from=rss#post562977https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562977,from=rss#post562977No prob .I probably should have mentioned that i was playing devils advocate above. In practice i might totally not have cared enough to stop him using the dagger but since you already made that determination i decided to see if there was any counter argument to be made for not letting him use it .nondisclosed_email@example.com (wreade1872)Mon, 29 Aug 2016 00:22:44 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562973,from=rss#post562973https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562973,from=rss#post562973Thank you wreade1872 for your answer to my query. <<EDIT>> wreade1872, thanks again for taking the time to present me your thoughts on the matter. I am sometimes a daunting person to respond to so I grateful to you for taking the time to give me your point of view on my question. Thank you very much.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:07:35 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562971,from=rss#post562971https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562971,from=rss#post562971I wouldn't allow it for a couple of reasons. First: Follow my logic here. The Darting Steel Daggers have a single gold value. Meaning they have no individual value. Meaning individually they're worthless. Meaning that the magic of the daggers must only work when both are used together. Also if you allow them to be used separately then it must be possible to lose one and not the other. Or use one at the Alchemists and not the other. Second: A hunting knife, surgical knife, throwing knife and kitchen knife are all knives but that doesn't mean someone trained in the use of one will be equally proficient with another. The daggers the noble trained with are probably of a particular weight and balance and i see no reason to assume one dagger is as good as another. Also if you allow this then you must allow heavy daggers, poison daggers or any other variant you come across.nondisclosed_email@example.com (wreade1872)Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:29:46 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562967,from=rss#post562967https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562967,from=rss#post562967Had this come up today. The Noble's booklet reads under the Dagger skill thusly: quote:The Noble may use his dagger at the same time as another weapon, and the dagger gives him + 1 Attack. He must use this extra Attack to attack with his dagger. Therefore, can the Noble use the treasure Darting Steel Daggers in this fashion? I ruled for the game that he could (since they are daggers), but I am looking for non-local input for further consideration and then establishment. Thanks all.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:26:54 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562964,from=rss#post562964https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562964,from=rss#post562964quote:OldWarrior wrote: ... It seems the Barbarian gets to carry the Lantern even though he is allowed to use a plethora of two-handed weapons OR a shield and a one-handed weapon. I like the lantern solution the Dwarf Treasure Hunter toy soldier from Mordheim presents: http://www.solegends.com/citcat2005spc/c2005spcp0114-02.htm Granted, trying that for all figures would be a bit of a challenge. Moreover, not all races are open to tech solutions to problems like the Dwarves are.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:04:39 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562962,from=rss#post562962https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562962,from=rss#post562962quote:wreade1872 wrote: Maybe she impales someone with her sword, turns and stabs with the dagger before retrieving her sword. Then she surprises another by asking him to 'hold this' shoves the lantern into his arms before slicing open his neck with her Claws, then retrieves it with a 'thanks' as he sinks to the floor. Anyway ... other opinions welcome. Sounds good to me! By the way, in other discussion (elsewhere in this board) about the use of two hands... It seems the Barbarian gets to carry the Lantern even though he is allowed to use a plethora of two-handed weapons OR a shield and a one-handed weapon. nondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:41:33 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562955,from=rss#post562955https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562955,from=rss#post562955I don't see any issue with this, it clearly states he always has some daggers on him. So even if you think he throws away daggers when going to L&S, he still has an infinity of daggers left. He never has to buy any. Even if he loses one in a dungeon he automatically has another handy. Anyway i have a related issue, does the Dagger skill require a free hand to use? I count the Lantern as taking up a hand, my Heiress (female imperial noble) also has a Poisoned Stilleto - When Monsters placed, after Ambush, free attack causes 1D6+BL unmodified Wounds, 400. Razor Claws - +1att, ignores armour. And the Dagger skill. For a while i used logic and decided she could use the Stiletto as its sort of its own thing but couldn't use the Claws or Dagger without a free hand. But i've recently decided screw it! this game is hard enough i'm using them all regardless of logic, plus combat can be quite fluid. Maybe she impales someone with her sword, turns and stabs with the dagger before retrieving her sword. Then she surprises another by asking him to 'hold this' shoves the lantern into his arms before slicing open his neck with her Claws, then retrieves it with a 'thanks' as he sinks to the floor. Anyway ... other opinions welcome. nondisclosed_email@example.com (wreade1872)Fri, 26 Aug 2016 00:05:01 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562680,from=rss#post562680https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562680,from=rss#post562680I would not have a problem playing with people of your persuasion on the issue of the purchased item then being considered a treasure item by extension. I think there is plenty of room for interpretation. I have sometimes found myself taking an opposite stance on something when time goes by and I had forgotten my previous position on one of these sort of grey areas. nondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:21:45 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562679,from=rss#post562679https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562679,from=rss#post562679I see your point. I am just not sure I agree. I guess I am just in favor that since he finds his treasure elsewhere, and he is making the dagger(s) be treasure with applying the runestones to them that the purchase & toss rules do not apply after that. This makes the dagger(s) then treasure rather than simply a purchase. Or at least that is what I am seeing. I understand your POV though.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Wed, 22 Apr 2015 06:25:57 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562678,from=rss#post562678https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562678,from=rss#post562678Yet, the best we can do in my opinion is see an implication -- not a clear statement -- concerning the dagger. I DO believe they should have spelled it out like they did for the Sabre, BUT they seemed to go a different route. With the Sabre they actually listed it as an item that can be purchased at Luigi's. IF they intended that the Imperial Noble would have to purchase a dagger every time -- after visiting Luigi's -- then it seems to me that the following line is rather misleading and confusing: The Imperial Noble rarely goes anywhere without at least a couple concealed about his person. . I think especially the words rarely goes anywhere is a very strong implication that he WOULD keep a dagger concealed on his person while visiting Luigi's. So, though I cannot say my view is 100% proven, I see the use of the dagger with this skill as an exception to the rule (though only implied) that the Imperial Noble must get rid of all non-Luigi equipment when he visits that location. BUT, IF the dagger is given to him as a result of gaining this skill, then he has NOT purchased it and this is then NOT an exception to the rule at all. lol While looking at the rule about Luigi & Salvatore, I notice that it says he must get rid of any gear that he has purchased from anywhere else. So, in reference to using a treasure card rune on any item that was purchased at another shop, I do NOT see this as an exception to the rule, because the primary weapon, armour, or whatever was originally purchased at another location.nondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:00:26 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562677,from=rss#post562677https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562677,from=rss#post562677I would like that to be true, but it clashes with the Sabre skill's wording. quote:Sabre. The Imperial Noble is trained in the use of a sabre. The sabre is a long curved, slashing weapon best employed from the back of a horse, but equally useful for a trained fencer on foot. The sabre acts exactly like a normal sword, doing 06+ the Imperial Noble's Strength damage. However, the style in which the blade is used makes the Imperial Noble very difficult to hit. When using the sabre all Monsters attacking the Imperial Noble are at -1 to hit. The instructor gives the Noble a sabre as a gift for passing his training. If he loses it he may always purchase another at Luigi & Salvatori. Can we get around this problem without going willy-nilly?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Tue, 21 Apr 2015 10:10:06 +0000 Re: Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562675,from=rss#post562675https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562675,from=rss#post562675Ah yes, this seems a tricky situation. However, I would argue that the way the skill is worded implies that he just has one -- or immediately has one once he gets the skill. From the wording, I think they were trying to avoid just this problem of always having to purchase a dagger in order to use the skill. I quote the skill below for reference. quote:The Imperial Noble is trained to use a dagger, for when the fighting gets really close. The Imperial Noble rarely goes anywhere without at least a couple concealed about his person. The dagger causes D6 + 1 damage. If any result indicates that the Warriors are completely disarmed at any point, then the Noble will always have his dagger. The Noble may use his dagger at the same time as another weapon, and the dagger gives him + 1 Attack. He must use this extra Attack to attack with his dagger. nondisclosed_email@example.com (OldWarrior)Tue, 21 Apr 2015 02:19:31 +0000 Imperial Noble & his Daggerhttps://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562674,from=rss#post562674https://bwarhammerquest.runboard.com/p562674,from=rss#post562674The problem here is I do not see where he is given his dagger. If he is not given one when trained, that means he has to buy one at the Weaponsmith. If he buys one at the Weaponsmith, he then has to toss it every time he goes into Luigi & Salvatore. That would mean he has to buy a new dagger after every time he goes to Luigi & Salvatore. Expensive! Would it matter if he used Runestone treasure on the dagger? Would it then make it where he would not have to throw away the dagger every time?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Warrior Monk)Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:00:58 +0000