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Lord

Registered: 09-2013
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Specific strength h-t-h attacks


Last night we had a game where an Ex-Blood Bowl Player had knee spikes from the Fighting School Armoury.
These weapons give additional S2 Attacks up to two.
The adventurer also had an Amulet of Power, which, for those who may have forgotten, increases the Warrior's strength by +2 for the turn.

The disagreement was whether or not the Amulet's bonus could affect the knee spike attack or any other strength-specified h-t-h attack..

I simply did a roll off to get through the situation in game.
I am looking for opinion from here so as to give power to my ruling for our group when I make it.
Any and all assistance would be appreciated.

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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


Hello, I'm rather new to this forum but I'll add my two cents worth. Was the question or disagreement in your group based on a thematic problem or whether it would be overpowered.

From a thematic point, I don't see why it would not work. From an overpowered, mechanical point it might be. Maybe someone who has played this game longer then I have could prove that better.
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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


i would allow it to work personally.

the knee spike do less damage than a warriors normal strength would allow presumably because the spikes are less threatening than a sword (but apparently more so than a dagger/knife which is strength 1 if I recall?) so see no reason why an item giving a bonus to strength will not help.

similarly the nobles rapier I would allow more damage if using said item.

on the other side of the argument I suppose you could argue against it by saying would you allow it on a short bow, long bow or (even more tentatively) a pistol.

on those three I would say no because ranged combat and HTH combat are different in a number of ways. (plus the pistol would be just silly...I think)

another weapon would be the bow of Loren: it does not mention adding strength to the damage normally after all, although I think this is an oversight on the writers side (personally)

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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


I would probably not let it apply, I think that generally set Strength weapons would override any bonuses to baseline Strength. The rapier is a more clear cut example, as it says it is a weapon of finesse, not strength (unless of course the noble has the Death Lunge skill). To use the dagger as another example, it doesn't matter if it's a Strength 6 pit fighter or a Strength 2 Halfling wielding it, it still counts aa a Strength 1 weapon.

This feels a bit more internally consistent to me, although, as always I would judge each item on a case by case basis.
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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


The Amulet increases the Strength of the Warrior and does not increase the damage of the weapon itself.

There should be no difference between a Strength 2 Warrior with an Amulet and a Strength 4 Warrior without one.

Either way, Knee Spikes (strength 2) would do Dice+2.
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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


been looking through old character sheets, we did not allow the strength bonus on set strength weapons.
like the dagger mentioned above
(it is specifically mentions this on the sheet!)
it would be different if the weapon stated "strikes at warriors strength -1" for example (pit fighter has strength 3 at the start, presumably when they would normally purchase these items)
but it does not.
in short: I change my vote based upon playing the game history emoticon

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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


I agree with the consistency interpretation...

Here is my reasoning.

1. Some weapons (usually melee weapons, like sword, axe, and etc..) do normal damage: damage dice + Warrior's Strength.

2. Some weapons have their own specified strength -- as most ranged weapons do. These make it clear that we use their Strength for damage + damage dice INSTEAD of the normal damage I mentioned above..

3. Some weapons (usually melee) modify (up or down) the Warrior's Strength OR modify the damage result. Either way, this modification is applied to the total damage inflicted by the normal damage as given in #1 above.

4. Anything that modifies the Warrior's Strength characteristic would then be treated the same as the Warrior's Strength in terms of how the damage is resolved according to all the guidelines I mention above.

This is all based upon my usual understanding of the official rules of the game.

Then, I conclude that the Knee Spikes have their own specified Strength of 2 and thus would NOT be modified by the amulet, since that only modifies the Warrior's Strength, and not the strength of the weapon.

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Re: Specific strength h-t-h attacks


Clearly delineated.
Love it!
Thank you OldWarrior.

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