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Skaven Jezzails


Let me be brief (yes, I can actually be so - believe it or not):
The RP Book says what it says about Jezzails on page 111.
There is no mention of team/skaven spotter-support rat/whatever like the toy soldiers represent; the newer Jezzail toy soldiers even put the second skaven on the same base as the shooter.
Having reviewed the Skaven army book of the period the Jezzail is listed as a war machine with a crew of two to move, but only needing one to shoot.

Q: Is [sign in to see URL] talking about a single skaven, the Shooter?
If no, does one split the 300 gold evenly between the Shooter and the Supporter?
Or does one get 300 gold for each?
Is the Supporter just a beefier clanrat, thereby the adventurer that kills it just gets clanrat gold while the adventurer, who kills the Shooter, gets the 300 gold?

Disagreement happened on Skaven adventure here.
Looking for opinions.

<<Edited for late night grammar. Pardon me please.>>

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Re: Skaven Jezzails


This seems a tricky one.

I never treated them as teams just going by the RolePlay Book. The Monster Tables clearly state "Warpfire Thrower Team", but "Skaven Jezzail" has no such designation. Again, the "Juggernauts of Khorne & Chaos Warrior Riders".

The page 111 entry, which comes immediately after the Warpfire Thrower Team entry seems very inconclusive to me as well.

I am NOT, however, disagreeing about, or even discussing the models. You, Warrior Monk, would know much more about those than I would. Since I have never seriously researched them (nor owned them).

So, just now I looked up the Jezzail images on Google. I see where most are of two-skaven teams and some are of a single model.

I would divide up the value between the models -- if they are treated as two models -- based upon whether or not each of them are able to fire the Jezzail without the other. I like the idea of a lesser value for the spotter IF he could NOT shoot the gun by himself BUT the shooter could still shoot if the spotter were killed.

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OldWarrior wrote:

This seems a tricky one.

I never treated them as teams just going by the RolePlay Book. The Monster Tables clearly state "Warpfire Thrower Team", but "Skaven Jezzail" has no such designation. Again, the "Juggernauts of Khorne & Chaos Warrior Riders".


Never questioned this one because Juggernauts in WFB can be deployed by themselves, with Chaos Warrior riders and with Bloodletter riders.
I guess because the Monsters of WhQ are based upon the enemy combatants of WFB, I never questioned this situation.

On an attached issue that OldWarrior bringing up Juggernauts triggered:
I wonder if the "new" Monster Special Rule "Rider" from LotOL would change the situation described in the Monster tables for the Juggernaut and its rider.
It would appear that you could no longer choose to attack the rider before the Juggernaut.
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OldWarrior wrote:
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... .

So, just now I looked up the Jezzail images on Google. I see where most are of two-skaven teams and some are of a single model.

I would divide up the value between the models -- if they are treated as two models -- based upon whether or not each of them are able to fire the Jezzail without the other. I like the idea of a lesser value for the spotter IF he could NOT shoot the gun by himself BUT the shooter could still shoot if the spotter were killed.


According to WFB, a jezzail can still be shot if the second skaven is killed; it just cannot be moved to a new position.
I imagine it would be the same in WhQ.

Jezzails being set up as Missile troops would make it a lot harder to take out the Shooter before the Supporter.
Personally, I have never ran into where the Shooter was killed first, but I would imagine it is not impossible.
Or is it the distance at which I usually set up missile-firing Monsters? emoticon

Thank you OldWarrior.
You have given me food for thought.

Anyone else?

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Re: Skaven Jezzails


i've always played it as one combined model with the same stats profile.
there is no mention of it being two models.

looking at the stats it is effectively statted as two clan rats (they have 3 wounds each and this one has 6) but with a point of armour so seems fair.

they are weak for their level/value to be honest anyway so I don't think it matters too much

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From the FAQ:

Skaven Jezzails
Q: Are Skaven Jezzails teams like Skaven Warpfire Throwers? The description does not mention this as it does for the Warpfire Thrower.
A: Yes. (GWUK)

Q: If two Warriors kill one member of a Skaven Jezzail team each, how much Gold does each Warrior get?
A: They get 150 gold each. (GWUK)

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That being said, we play it that if the shooter is taken out, the other one picks up the Jezzail and continues on shooting. We figured that he's not going to sit there and do nothing.

So it doesn't matter who you take out first. It continues firing in the Monsters' Phase until both models are taken out.

We do not play that the Jezzail cannot be moved if one is dead since there is no mention of that in the RPB Monster description.

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Thank you for the reminder about the WhQ FAQ Littlemonk.
I simply spaced looking there; sorry all.

quote:

Littlemonk wrote:

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So it doesn't matter who you take out first. It continues firing in the Monsters' Phase until both models are taken out.

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Until pinned, of course.

For those that do not know where the FAQ is, here is the link to it - v3.0:
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Sorry folks, no update of any official variety or species since this beast.
AND this file has not been on an actual GW site since 2001.

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From the FAQ:

Skaven Jezzails
Q: Are Skaven Jezzails teams like Skaven Warpfire Throwers? The description does not mention this as it does for the Warpfire Thrower.
A: Yes. (GWUK)

Q: If two Warriors kill one member of a Skaven Jezzail team each, how much Gold does each Warrior get?
A: They get 150 gold each. (GWUK)



Aha! I thought I remembered reading that once upon a time. I just did not remember it was in the FAQ.

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