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Blows and "Attacks of a Magical nature"


So we're getting in the later stages of our campaign, we're all BL 5/6+ (Apart from the Dwarf, waddling along at level 4, yet has some of the best items in the group!) and we are running into some questions and I wondered what people thought about it.

What is a "Blow" exactly? The Rule Book, a lot of abilities and other sections refer to a blow, e.g. "ignore blow", or "dodge a blow" but what is a blow?

Is it a hand to hand attack? Is it anything that makes physical contact, including missile weapons?

Also, what is an attack that is "magical" in nature? Seems so unclear to me, makes me wish either the rule book or RP book defined the terms.

Because, is an attack of a magical nature include magical weapons equipped by monsters? I would say probably, however, unless they have extra reach it makes no sense to me why a flying wizard (wings of power for example) is able to be hit by a Beastman Champion with a magic sword when he is immune to other melee attacks.

Same with breath weapons, one could likely argue that a breath weapon is natural to a dragon or hydra etc, not necessarily magic, on the other hand, those could be considered "magical" creatures.


We play without a DM, so we're going by the rules as closely as possible.

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Re: Blows and "Attacks of a Magical nature"


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So we're getting in the later stages of our campaign, we're all BL 5/6+ (Apart from the Dwarf, waddling along at level 4, yet has some of the best items in the group!) and we are running into some questions and I wondered what people thought about it.

What is a "Blow" exactly? The Rule Book, a lot of abilities and other sections refer to a blow, e.g. "ignore blow", or "dodge a blow" but what is a blow?

Is it a hand to hand attack? Is it anything that makes physical contact, including missile weapons?

Also, what is an attack that is "magical" in nature? Seems so unclear to me, makes me wish either the rule book or RP book defined the terms.

Because, is an attack of a magical nature include magical weapons equipped by monsters? I would say probably, however, unless they have extra reach it makes no sense to me why a flying wizard (wings of power for example) is able to be hit by a Beastman Champion with a magic sword when he is immune to other melee attacks.

Same with breath weapons, one could likely argue that a breath weapon is natural to a dragon or hydra etc, not necessarily magic, on the other hand, those could be considered "magical" creatures.


We play without a DM, so we're going by the rules as closely as possible.



I addressed the issue of the difference between 'Attack' and 'Blow' in The Ultimate Treasure Book. As with most rules, you are free to make your own interpretation.

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Re: Blows and "Attacks of a Magical nature"


Cheers, I think that is usually how we play it.

There was one fight in the last dungeon where my friend playing the Elf wanted to dodge a Warpfire attack, but I said that since its magical and not technically targeting him (it was passing through to hit another warrior) that it was unclear if the Elf "dodge" skill would work on it.

In the end we agreed you couldn't dodge a warpfire beam, but we do allow dodging of regular hits and projectiles.
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My house rule for dodging is, if you roll to hit you can roll to dodge.
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Yes, this makes sense, and is generally how we play. In fact, come to think of it, the Rules booklet does word the dodge in regards to it being a reaction to "a hit" in the examples they give.

Do you have any ruling on what constitutes a n "attack that is magical in nature"?

Aside from the obvious (actual spells), I wonder what else is included in that.

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Well, I think there are a few more grey areas for magical attacks.

I think you're wings of power example is pretty obvious what is intended. In general a magic attack is a spell cast by a Monster. i.e. "pure magical attacks".

Magical weapons are slightly different, they are primarily physical, however, they can impact on things like Armour of Dargon. In additional to Magical Weapons, I consider Doom Glaive, Axe of Khorne & Hellblades magical.

I can't say dragon breathe has ever come up as you don't roll to hit. What is the situation?

Doomfire Ring is a tough one. It's clearly magical in nature. I'm never sure with items like this if magic resistance should protect a Warrior. Likewise, should MR protect monsters from Lightning Fire Rings and scrolls?
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Its more about a few items/spells that protect against certain things "unless" they are magical in nature. The Wings of power, shield etc.

I think some items (some custom ones perhaps) have a clause like this as well and I wondered how people played certain things like dragons breath in regards to it.

Same with Doom Glaive, Axe of Khorne etc, I assume they can ignore/cut through magic shields, and "maybe" hit flying warriors (WoP).

As for breath attacks, I am not so sure whether their breath itself is actually magical. If it is, then like you said, maybe resistance should be taken into account. If not, then spells that protect against "All but attacks of a magical nature." could protect against fire.

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for me a "blow" is a hit of some description. whether that be a trap such as spear/arrow trap or an attack whether ranged or close combat.

i would not allow a spell to be avoided in this way typically. or a breath weapon.

attacks of a magical nature is tricky.

spells fit for me obviously, but also an attack by a blood letter hellblade, the other daemons too (blood thirster or skaven daemon lord). wraiths and ghosts fit too though.

but your specific example is a flying spell which i would allow ranged attacks to hit even though they are attacks, it would render them immune to hellblades as they simply cannot reach them.

you can't expect clarity in the world of WHQ!!

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